Kodak 200T Super 8 cartridge notching info here

[Matt Pacini]

Here is part of an email sent to me from John Plytak from Kodak, answering my question about if the 200T cartridge was notched, and if so, at what film speed.

Here it is:

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From: John P Pytlak

Matt --- my original note sent you a Adobe Acrobat .pdf file of the actual
SMPTE standard! If you have an Adobe Acrobat reader, double clicking on
that icon should launch the document, which clearly shows the notching
specification. Yes, I believe the 200T is notched for EI 160., which would
be a notch 0.500 inches long.

John
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P.S., the file he sent me was all screwed up, so I couldn't actually see what he's talking about here...

Matt Pacini

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[rollemfilm]

he "believes" that it is notched? a kodak rep can't say, "yes"....!?!

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[S 8 Booster]

Matt, can you send me a copy of that Kodak PDF file: I think I can get it "interpreted".

RGDS

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[Matt Pacini]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by S 8 Booster:
Matt, can you send me a copy of that Kodak PDF file: I think I can get it "interpreted".

RGDS

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


No, you can't.
He kept sending me some other file, that wasn't a PDF file, and it didn't even have the same name.
We kept arguing, before I finally just gave up.
He kept saying my computer obviously didn't deal with PDF files, and I told him I make, send and receive PDF files almost every day and have never had a problem.
Oh well...

Matt Pacini


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[S 8 Booster]

Wouldn?t count on that Matt.

Anyway, this is probably what you would get anyway:

Film Speed/ASA Notch Size Filter Notch Notes/Film Types

ASA 16 2/32" (2mm) - None ever made this slow in Super 8mm

ASA 25 4/32" (4mm) - None ever made this slow in Super 8mm

ASA 40 9/32" (7mm) Yes KMA 464/594 (rated ASA 25 Daylight/40 Tungsten)

ASA 50 11/32" (9mm) Yes PXR 464(rated ASA 32 Daylight) (rated ASA 40 Tungsten/50 Daylight w/o Filter)

ASA 64 14/32" (11mm) Yes Scotch/3M 64 B&W

ASA 125 17/32" (13mm) Yes VNF 464 (rated ASA 80 Daylight)
(rated ASA 125 Tungsten w/o filter [requires 85B filter])

ASA 160 19/32" (15mm) Yes ELA 464/594(rated ASA 100 Daylight)
(rated ASA 160 Tungsten w/o filter)

ASA 160 22/32" (17mm) No EG 464 (rated ASA 160 Daylight)
(rated ASA 160 Tungsten [cartridge removes filter])

ASA 200 22/32"(17mm) No TXR 464 (rated ASA 200 Daylight)
(rated ASA 160 Tungsten w/o filter [cartridge removes filter])

ASA 400 28/32" (22mm) No 4XR 464 (rated ASA 400 Daylight)
(rated ASA 320 Tungsten w/o filter [cartridge removes filter])

ASA 500[GAF film] 28/32" (22mm) No GAFBW500 (rated ASA 400 Daylight)
(rated ASA 400 Tungsten w/o filter [cartridge removes filter]) Note: This also applies to Anscochrome 500 Color Daylight High Speed Film

ASA 640 1" (24mm) - None ever made this fast in Super 8mm

ASA Film Speed notches are the speeds that the cartridge will index 'most' Super 8mm cameras to. In some cases, such as PXR, TXR and 4XR, the manufacturer states that the film latitude will cover most exposure situations. For accurate exposures, exposure biasing should be done with manual control, or by setting actual film speed such as can be done on Beaulieu cine cameras. Later high end Super 8mm cameras will index most filmspeeds based on the ANSI scale of ASA25 to ASA500 (some even from ASA 10 to ASA 640!), even though certain film speed ratings were never manufactured.

NOTE: Ektachrome Film ASA 160 Type G has a longer notch to adjust metering to ASA 160 Daylight in those cameras which can read the longer notch. Other cameras default to ASA 160 automatically. Tri-X ASA 200 defaults to ASA 160 in most Super 8mm cameras which do not have the various stepping meter indexing detents. ASA 64 films default to ASA 50 in some cameras, and default to ASA 40 in most cameras. ASA 640 defaults to ASA 400 in most cameras or to ASA 250 in others. Cameras which were set up only for the Kodachrome ASA 25/40 & Ektachrome ASA 100/160 films....default higher speed films to ASA 160.

SPECIAL VNF 7240 NOTICE: Ektachrome VNF 7250 ASA 125 will default to ASA 160 in most Super 8mm cameras. Those higher end cameras having a stepping wedge to adjust the light meters, will index filmspeed to ASA 125, some to ASA 100 only. This default in many cameras will either underexpose the film by 1/5th of a stop, and overexpose the film by 1/5th of a stop. Kodak states that this falls into the film's exposure latitude and should still allow for acceptable exposures. VNF 7240 is originally a 16mm filmstock and no established notch code existed prior to Sept 1997 for this film. For more exacting standards, it is highly recommended to conduct exposure tests for various Super 8mm cameras and keep notes as to what exposure modifications are required (if any) for this filmtype in those cameras. *Also....VNF film is a Type B film technically requiring a slightly "cooler" Wratten 85B filter. Most Super 8mm cameras have a builtin Type A filter or Wratten 85(also known as Wratten 85A). For most filming situations...the 200?K color temperature difference is very minimal. This filmstock was intended for direct transfer for television broadcast...thus it tends to exhibit a magenta bias upon projection. This magenta bias gets worse if proper film use and storage and processing procedures aren't followed. Refer to Kodak's tech specs.




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[S 8 Booster]

This part fell out of the above info:
http://lavender.fortunecity.com/lave...mcartspec.html

Codes
by Martin W. Baumgarten ? 1999
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The following information explains the approximate details of the Super 8mm film cartridge notch code specifications. This covers all current films and some discontinued films. ANSI information and specs follows below. Information can be used to modify an existing cartridge notch to rate a given film at a higher effective ASA for those cameras that have auto-exposure and only use the notch codes to index their light meters (well over 90% of all Super 8mm movie cameras). To enlarge a given film speed index notch.....measure from the top and as the reference point, and then cut the lower section/segment longer to the correct measurement. The top position is identical on all cartridges as a starting point.

Film Speed/ASA Notch Size Filter Notch Notes/Film Types

ASA 16 2/32" (2mm) - None ever made this slow in Super 8mm

ASA 25 4/32" (4mm) - None ever made this slow in Super 8mm

ASA 40 9/32" (7mm) Yes KMA 464/594 (rated ASA 25 Daylight/40 Tungsten)

ASA 50 11/32" (9mm) Yes PXR 464(rated ASA 32 Daylight) (rated ASA 40 Tungsten/50 Daylight w/o Filter)

ASA 64 14/32" (11mm) Yes Scotch/3M 64 B&W

ASA 125 17/32" (13mm) Yes VNF 464 (rated ASA 80 Daylight)
(rated ASA 125 Tungsten w/o filter [requires 85B filter])

ASA 160 19/32" (15mm) Yes ELA 464/594(rated ASA 100 Daylight)
(rated ASA 160 Tungsten w/o filter)

ASA 160 22/32" (17mm) No EG 464 (rated ASA 160 Daylight)
(rated ASA 160 Tungsten [cartridge removes filter])

ASA 200 22/32"(17mm) No TXR 464 (rated ASA 200 Daylight)
(rated ASA 160 Tungsten w/o filter [cartridge removes filter])

ASA 400 28/32" (22mm) No 4XR 464 (rated ASA 400 Daylight)
(rated ASA 320 Tungsten w/o filter [cartridge removes filter])

ASA 500[GAF film] 28/32" (22mm) No GAFBW500 (rated ASA 400 Daylight)
(rated ASA 400 Tungsten w/o filter [cartridge removes filter]) Note: This also applies to Anscochrome 500 Color Daylight High Speed Film

ASA 640 1" (24mm) - None ever made this fast in Super 8mm

ASA Film Speed notches are the speeds that the cartridge will index 'most' Super 8mm cameras to. In some cases, such as PXR, TXR and 4XR, the manufacturer states that the film latitude will cover most exposure situations. For accurate exposures, exposure biasing should be done with manual control, or by setting actual film speed such as can be done on Beaulieu cine cameras. Later high end Super 8mm cameras will index most filmspeeds based on the ANSI scale of ASA25 to ASA500 (some even from ASA 10 to ASA 640!), even though certain film speed ratings were never manufactured.

NOTE: Ektachrome Film ASA 160 Type G has a longer notch to adjust metering to ASA 160 Daylight in those cameras which can read the longer notch. Other cameras default to ASA 160 automatically. Tri-X ASA 200 defaults to ASA 160 in most Super 8mm cameras which do not have the various stepping meter indexing detents. ASA 64 films default to ASA 50 in some cameras, and default to ASA 40 in most cameras. ASA 640 defaults to ASA 400 in most cameras or to ASA 250 in others. Cameras which were set up only for the Kodachrome ASA 25/40 & Ektachrome ASA 100/160 films....default higher speed films to ASA 160.

SPECIAL VNF 7240 NOTICE: Ektachrome VNF 7250 ASA 125 will default to ASA 160 in most Super 8mm cameras. Those higher end cameras having a stepping wedge to adjust the light meters, will index filmspeed to ASA 125, some to ASA 100 only. This default in many cameras will either underexpose the film by 1/5th of a stop, and overexpose the film by 1/5th of a stop. Kodak states that this falls into the film's exposure latitude and should still allow for acceptable exposures. VNF 7240 is originally a 16mm filmstock and no established notch code existed prior to Sept 1997 for this film. For more exacting standards, it is highly recommended to conduct exposure tests for various Super 8mm cameras and keep notes as to what exposure modifications are required (if any) for this filmtype in those cameras. *Also....VNF film is a Type B film technically requiring a slightly "cooler" Wratten 85B filter. Most Super 8mm cameras have a builtin Type A filter or Wratten 85(also known as Wratten 85A). For most filming situations...the 200?K color temperature difference is very minimal. This filmstock was intended for direct transfer for television broadcast...thus it tends to exhibit a magenta bias upon projection. This magenta bias gets worse if proper film use and storage and processing procedures aren't followed. Refer to Kodak's tech specs.


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[S 8 Booster]

Matt, did you check out the actual notching code on the Kodak Vision 200 cartridge?



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[S 8 Booster]

I guess this cartidge is notched for an auto 160 too like the BW film below:

TXR 464 502 9046 TRI-X REVERSAL 7278 200/160 50 feet SILENT

Info from Kodak tech specs:

Exposure Indexes

Use the following exposure indexes for recommended reversal processing:
Tungsten (3200K) 160
Daylight* 200

Use these indexes with incident, or reflected-light exposure meters and cameras marked for ISO or ASA speeds or exposure indexes. These indexes apply for meter readings of average subjects made from the camera position or for readings made from a gray card of 18-percent reflectance held close to and in front of the subject. For unusually light- or dark-colored subjects, decrease or increase the exposure indicated by the meter accordingly.

For negative processing (gamma=1.0) in a typical motion picture negative developer, use the following exposure indexes:

Tungsten (3200K) 100
Daylight 125

*Super 8 automatic cameras will expose the film at ASA 160 due to the ANSI standard cartridge notching system.


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